PCing This War Will Kill Us
The following comes from the WaPo and Michelle Malkin:
Three suicides at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may have been part of a broader plot by detainees who were using confidential lawyer-client papers and envelopes to pass handwritten notes their guards could not intercept, according to documents that government lawyers filed yesterday in federal court.
Detainees could apparently hide documents in their cells -- including instructions on how to tie knots and a classified U.S. military memo regarding cell locations of detainees and camp operational matters at Guantanamo -- by keeping the materials in envelopes labeled as lawyer-client communications. Notes that investigators found after the suicides on June 10 were apparently written on the back of notepaper stamped "Attorney Client Privilege," which allowed detainees to communicate secretly without interference, according to government officials.
The alleged discoveries have led military commanders to suspend allowing detainees to have paper provided by defense lawyers. Government lawyers have also asked a judge on the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to allow them to assemble "filter teams" to scour more than 1,100 pounds of documents seized by investigators, some of which are protected by lawyer-client privilege and would usually be off-limits to authorities.
Defense lawyers for Guantanamo detainees said that their clients are closely monitored and should have no way to pass such notes, and that the filing yesterday is designed to complicate their efforts.
In an affidavit filed with the court, Rear Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., the facility's commander, said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service has information that suggests the suicides "may have been part of a larger plan or pact for more suicides that day or in the immediate future."
He also said that on June 22, he asked NCIS to investigate whether the suicides were "otherwise encouraged, ordered, or assisted by other detainees or third persons" -- implying that the probe could extend to lawyers for the men -- and whether their private communications could have included improper materials.
As I have stated, and repeated, and repeated, these people should not have had the same protections extended to them that a CITIZEN of the United States possesses. In this story we find out that the personnel at Gitmo aren't allowed to read the correspondance between prisoner and lawyer, which I find reprehensible. And no, I don't want some AOL lawyer coming over here to tell me I'm wrong. These people are our enemies. When we allow them to have these sorts of privileges, we get Lynne Stewart. For those who don't remember Ms. Stewart, she was the lawyer tried and convicted, facing 30 years in prison and permamnent disbarment, for providing support for terrorists here and abroad.
These suicides, which the Left jumped all over, were planned. They were planned by our enemies in detention so that they could help their fellow brothers. It provoked shock across the globe and through the nation that our enemies would do something like this. Questions arose as to whose fault it was, and whether or not the abuses down there had anything to do with them.
First of all, there are no abuses going on down at Gitmo, and numerous members of Congress have visited the detention facility to verify that. Second, WHO THE HELL CARES IF OUR ENEMY KILLS THEMSELVES? To quote the Breakfast Club: "B-O-O H-O-O." So they committed suicide, good for them. But this pervasive attitude that we're not being kind enough to our enemies, that we're "offending" them, that we're forbidding them their "rights" is going to get us killed in the long run. This is a war, or have the PC nutters forgotten that? Do they think they will be given quarter from our enemy if they're ever caught? Do they? Do they think that life as a dhimmi is comparable to what they have right now?
Our enemy shows no mercy. Those that they have shown mercy to are those who serve a greater overall purpose. People like the German archeologist, Susanne Osthoff, or Giuliana Sgrena. Ms. Osthoff was found to have part of the ransom paid for her release in her possession (which simply reeks of a phony kidnapping), and Ms. Sgrena was involved in an incident that nearly got her killed. It certainly got her compatriot, Nicola Calipari killed. Both served excellent foils for the coalition. Ms. Osthoff enabled her "kidnappers" to gain monetary funds they needed to continue operations in Iraq. Ms. Sgrena's allegations gave the US military a black eye when she basically alleged that she was targeted for execution by them.
Our enemy loves to use people who are actually useful to their endeavors, but they gain a level of supreme satisfaction in being able to play a system because a bunch of spineless idiots in Congress want to let them have the same things we as citizens have. Personally, I'd like to see a couple of those doddering old fools locked up with our enemies. I'm sure the learning experience for them would be well worth the hassle.
But for these people to weep for our enemies is pathetic. They want to hug 'em? Let them. Let them do it. Us? We'd prefer we didn't have these detainees, and it's quite clear that none of the courts are able to understand the capacity these people have for evil. The Supreme Court screwed it up. The criminal courts screwed up the Moussaoui trial. And this is what happens when we let PC minded people handle decisions like this. This is what will always happen. It's time we end this little charade, and tell the PC police to shut the hell up before they end up helping another attack occur here in America.
Publius II
The following comes from the WaPo and Michelle Malkin:
Three suicides at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may have been part of a broader plot by detainees who were using confidential lawyer-client papers and envelopes to pass handwritten notes their guards could not intercept, according to documents that government lawyers filed yesterday in federal court.
Detainees could apparently hide documents in their cells -- including instructions on how to tie knots and a classified U.S. military memo regarding cell locations of detainees and camp operational matters at Guantanamo -- by keeping the materials in envelopes labeled as lawyer-client communications. Notes that investigators found after the suicides on June 10 were apparently written on the back of notepaper stamped "Attorney Client Privilege," which allowed detainees to communicate secretly without interference, according to government officials.
The alleged discoveries have led military commanders to suspend allowing detainees to have paper provided by defense lawyers. Government lawyers have also asked a judge on the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to allow them to assemble "filter teams" to scour more than 1,100 pounds of documents seized by investigators, some of which are protected by lawyer-client privilege and would usually be off-limits to authorities.
Defense lawyers for Guantanamo detainees said that their clients are closely monitored and should have no way to pass such notes, and that the filing yesterday is designed to complicate their efforts.
In an affidavit filed with the court, Rear Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., the facility's commander, said the Naval Criminal Investigative Service has information that suggests the suicides "may have been part of a larger plan or pact for more suicides that day or in the immediate future."
He also said that on June 22, he asked NCIS to investigate whether the suicides were "otherwise encouraged, ordered, or assisted by other detainees or third persons" -- implying that the probe could extend to lawyers for the men -- and whether their private communications could have included improper materials.
As I have stated, and repeated, and repeated, these people should not have had the same protections extended to them that a CITIZEN of the United States possesses. In this story we find out that the personnel at Gitmo aren't allowed to read the correspondance between prisoner and lawyer, which I find reprehensible. And no, I don't want some AOL lawyer coming over here to tell me I'm wrong. These people are our enemies. When we allow them to have these sorts of privileges, we get Lynne Stewart. For those who don't remember Ms. Stewart, she was the lawyer tried and convicted, facing 30 years in prison and permamnent disbarment, for providing support for terrorists here and abroad.
These suicides, which the Left jumped all over, were planned. They were planned by our enemies in detention so that they could help their fellow brothers. It provoked shock across the globe and through the nation that our enemies would do something like this. Questions arose as to whose fault it was, and whether or not the abuses down there had anything to do with them.
First of all, there are no abuses going on down at Gitmo, and numerous members of Congress have visited the detention facility to verify that. Second, WHO THE HELL CARES IF OUR ENEMY KILLS THEMSELVES? To quote the Breakfast Club: "B-O-O H-O-O." So they committed suicide, good for them. But this pervasive attitude that we're not being kind enough to our enemies, that we're "offending" them, that we're forbidding them their "rights" is going to get us killed in the long run. This is a war, or have the PC nutters forgotten that? Do they think they will be given quarter from our enemy if they're ever caught? Do they? Do they think that life as a dhimmi is comparable to what they have right now?
Our enemy shows no mercy. Those that they have shown mercy to are those who serve a greater overall purpose. People like the German archeologist, Susanne Osthoff, or Giuliana Sgrena. Ms. Osthoff was found to have part of the ransom paid for her release in her possession (which simply reeks of a phony kidnapping), and Ms. Sgrena was involved in an incident that nearly got her killed. It certainly got her compatriot, Nicola Calipari killed. Both served excellent foils for the coalition. Ms. Osthoff enabled her "kidnappers" to gain monetary funds they needed to continue operations in Iraq. Ms. Sgrena's allegations gave the US military a black eye when she basically alleged that she was targeted for execution by them.
Our enemy loves to use people who are actually useful to their endeavors, but they gain a level of supreme satisfaction in being able to play a system because a bunch of spineless idiots in Congress want to let them have the same things we as citizens have. Personally, I'd like to see a couple of those doddering old fools locked up with our enemies. I'm sure the learning experience for them would be well worth the hassle.
But for these people to weep for our enemies is pathetic. They want to hug 'em? Let them. Let them do it. Us? We'd prefer we didn't have these detainees, and it's quite clear that none of the courts are able to understand the capacity these people have for evil. The Supreme Court screwed it up. The criminal courts screwed up the Moussaoui trial. And this is what happens when we let PC minded people handle decisions like this. This is what will always happen. It's time we end this little charade, and tell the PC police to shut the hell up before they end up helping another attack occur here in America.
Publius II
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