We Missed This Yesterday ...
I saw it on Captain Ed's site, but with all we had to do last night, and the fact that I was left to handle our traditional post of the Declaration of Independence, I forgot to let Thomas know about it. So, I now correct that omission today.
Iraq's government is studying a request from some local insurgent leaders to supply them with weapons so they can turn on the heavily armed foreign fighters who were once their allies, according to two Iraqi lawmakers.
Leaders claiming to represent about 11 insurgent groups asked for weapons to fight foreign al-Qaeda elements in Iraq, said Haider al-Ibadi, a Shiite lawmaker and member of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Dawa Party.
"They want to take part in the war against terrorists," said al-Ibadi, who supports the proposal.
"They claim they could wipe out the terrorists and work with the government."
The insurgent request was confirmed by al-Ibadi and Mithal al-Alusi, another lawmaker. Al-Maliki was out of the country, and several officials in his office declined to comment.
The request came out of talks between people claiming to represent insurgent groups and the Iraqi government.
The U.S. military said insurgent talks are an Iraqi matter.
Coalition forces would "fully support the broad dialogue for reconciliation" but would not discuss details, military spokesman Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said in an e-mail.
Al-Ibadi said a committee of top Iraqi officials is being formed to study the request.
A cornerstone of al-Maliki's government has been a reconciliation plan aimed at undermining Sunni support for the insurgency and drawing Sunnis into the political process.
Al-Maliki has called for the release of 3,000 detainees in U.S.-run prisons and amnesty for some fighters.
Al-Maliki has not specified which fighters might be pardoned. The issue of whether to extend amnesty to fighters who have killed Iraqi or American soldiers has generated a vigorous debate. The idea of arming insurgent groups also could raise troubling issues.
Al-Alusi, an independent lawmaker, said when he heard that Sunni insurgents had asked for weapons to fight foreign groups, he advised al-Maliki against it. Al-Alusi said al-Maliki was considering it.
"We should stop creating militias," al-Alusi said. "We have too many political mafia groups in this country. Enough is enough."
U.S. and Iraqi military officials have been trying for the past couple of years to drive a wedge between Iraqi fighters and foreign groups.
Foreign fighters account for 4% to 10% of the estimated 20,000 or more insurgents in Iraq, according to a U.S. State Department report.
Foreign fighters are behind some of the deadliest bombings, however.
Asked about the measure, some parliamentary members opposed the idea.
Others, including Mahmoud Othman, a leading Kurdish lawmaker, said they were unaware of it, highlighting the secrecy and sometimes confusion surrounding government meetings with insurgents.
The insurgents are represented by a mix of tribal leaders and former Iraqi army leaders. Government officials are still trying to determine whether the officials speak with authority for the insurgents, al-Ibadi said.
While to a few they may seem like the end-all, be-all solution to the problems in Iraq, it is the farthest thing from a solution. They are requesting weapons to go after al-Qaeda in Iraq, but yet they had no problem obtaining weapons to go after coalition forces for three years. To put my suspicion as bluntly as I can, something smells rotten in Baghdad.
Here is a better idea for those insurgents. If they wish to fight al-Qaeda, enlist int he Iraqi army, or better yet, turn over what they know about al-Qaeda to the army so they can go deal with them. They wish to help their nation. I understand that, but I still cannot bring myself to trust such a request. The native insurgents are just as dangerous as al-Qaeda. Indeed, we saw what a militia under the control of al-Sadr could accomplish in Fallujah. We do not want to make a mistake like that again, or to allow private little armies to run around the country.
Iraq must do this all on their own, united as one nation. To grant special privileges to a few is a bad idea that could get incredibly worse in an astonishingly short amount of time. And, of course, there is no mention of a guarantee that they would not target coalition forces. While I sympathize with Prime Minister al-Maliki, I could not abide such a move. If they want to help, then they need to reveal their information to the appropriate people. Tell the military commanders where al-Qaeda is, where their munitions are hidden, and most importantly where al-Masri is at so he can be either captured or killed.
But there should be no deal involving the possible privatization of any sort of militia force in Iraq. To do so only invites more people to join them rather than the army.
Marcie
I saw it on Captain Ed's site, but with all we had to do last night, and the fact that I was left to handle our traditional post of the Declaration of Independence, I forgot to let Thomas know about it. So, I now correct that omission today.
Iraq's government is studying a request from some local insurgent leaders to supply them with weapons so they can turn on the heavily armed foreign fighters who were once their allies, according to two Iraqi lawmakers.
Leaders claiming to represent about 11 insurgent groups asked for weapons to fight foreign al-Qaeda elements in Iraq, said Haider al-Ibadi, a Shiite lawmaker and member of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Dawa Party.
"They want to take part in the war against terrorists," said al-Ibadi, who supports the proposal.
"They claim they could wipe out the terrorists and work with the government."
The insurgent request was confirmed by al-Ibadi and Mithal al-Alusi, another lawmaker. Al-Maliki was out of the country, and several officials in his office declined to comment.
The request came out of talks between people claiming to represent insurgent groups and the Iraqi government.
The U.S. military said insurgent talks are an Iraqi matter.
Coalition forces would "fully support the broad dialogue for reconciliation" but would not discuss details, military spokesman Lt. Col. Barry Johnson said in an e-mail.
Al-Ibadi said a committee of top Iraqi officials is being formed to study the request.
A cornerstone of al-Maliki's government has been a reconciliation plan aimed at undermining Sunni support for the insurgency and drawing Sunnis into the political process.
Al-Maliki has called for the release of 3,000 detainees in U.S.-run prisons and amnesty for some fighters.
Al-Maliki has not specified which fighters might be pardoned. The issue of whether to extend amnesty to fighters who have killed Iraqi or American soldiers has generated a vigorous debate. The idea of arming insurgent groups also could raise troubling issues.
Al-Alusi, an independent lawmaker, said when he heard that Sunni insurgents had asked for weapons to fight foreign groups, he advised al-Maliki against it. Al-Alusi said al-Maliki was considering it.
"We should stop creating militias," al-Alusi said. "We have too many political mafia groups in this country. Enough is enough."
U.S. and Iraqi military officials have been trying for the past couple of years to drive a wedge between Iraqi fighters and foreign groups.
Foreign fighters account for 4% to 10% of the estimated 20,000 or more insurgents in Iraq, according to a U.S. State Department report.
Foreign fighters are behind some of the deadliest bombings, however.
Asked about the measure, some parliamentary members opposed the idea.
Others, including Mahmoud Othman, a leading Kurdish lawmaker, said they were unaware of it, highlighting the secrecy and sometimes confusion surrounding government meetings with insurgents.
The insurgents are represented by a mix of tribal leaders and former Iraqi army leaders. Government officials are still trying to determine whether the officials speak with authority for the insurgents, al-Ibadi said.
While to a few they may seem like the end-all, be-all solution to the problems in Iraq, it is the farthest thing from a solution. They are requesting weapons to go after al-Qaeda in Iraq, but yet they had no problem obtaining weapons to go after coalition forces for three years. To put my suspicion as bluntly as I can, something smells rotten in Baghdad.
Here is a better idea for those insurgents. If they wish to fight al-Qaeda, enlist int he Iraqi army, or better yet, turn over what they know about al-Qaeda to the army so they can go deal with them. They wish to help their nation. I understand that, but I still cannot bring myself to trust such a request. The native insurgents are just as dangerous as al-Qaeda. Indeed, we saw what a militia under the control of al-Sadr could accomplish in Fallujah. We do not want to make a mistake like that again, or to allow private little armies to run around the country.
Iraq must do this all on their own, united as one nation. To grant special privileges to a few is a bad idea that could get incredibly worse in an astonishingly short amount of time. And, of course, there is no mention of a guarantee that they would not target coalition forces. While I sympathize with Prime Minister al-Maliki, I could not abide such a move. If they want to help, then they need to reveal their information to the appropriate people. Tell the military commanders where al-Qaeda is, where their munitions are hidden, and most importantly where al-Masri is at so he can be either captured or killed.
But there should be no deal involving the possible privatization of any sort of militia force in Iraq. To do so only invites more people to join them rather than the army.
Marcie
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