Final Thoughts for today on the farce being called a "deal."
If you've been zipping by the site today you know that one thing has dominated us today, and that's this farce of an immigration deal; a deal, I might add, that's not even on paper yet! Let me just say, to start this off (yes, there will be ranting; pop some popcorn, and get ready) that John McCain's dead like dinner. His candidacy croaked today, and it wasn't pretty. Hugh Hewitt posted the McCainese from his statements today. First, I'll give you his statement, then Hugh's interpretation of Captain Queeg still searching for his strawberries:
This is the first step. We can and must complete this legislation sooner rather than later. We all know that this issue can be caught up in extracurricular politics unless we move forward as quickly as opssible. This is a product of a long hard trail of negotiation, and I am sure that there are certain provisions that each of us would not agree with, but this is what the legislative process is all about, this is what bipartisanship is all about when there is a requirement for this nation and its security that transcends party lines. I am proud to have been a small part of it.
Now, Hugh's translation:
Deal's done. I am the guy. I made it happen. My opinion mattered, not yours. What I do in the middle of a campaign for president has nothing to do with politics. My critics are all motivated by politics. Since I have already made up my mind, no debate is necessary, so shut up. Republicans especially shut up. This is how things get done in D.C.: You roll over for Democrats. And by the way, cutting half the fence and leaving the other half subject to the whims of the anti-border security bureaucracy equals protecting national security, just like the Gang of 14 was good for the confirmation process and McCain-Feingold good for the First Amendment. So, if you didn't hear me the first time: Shut up. Sit down. I'm your nominee.
I'm John McCain and I approved of this message.
That's Captain Queeg in a nutshell. Think we're the only one's ticked right now? Think again. And no, Michelle doesn't have the monopoly on this. Both those on the Right and Left (for the Left, those that are still sane), aren't happy here. They're mad, and they're sick of taking this sort of stupidity.
YES! I said stupidity. These people have flouted our laws from day one of entering the "land of opportunity." They have no regard for them at all. NONE! If they did, they wouldn't have broken the law in the first place. So, why in God's name does Congress think that these people will start abiding by our laws? It takes a world-class genius in the mold of John Kerry to think that they'll strart playing by the rules now.
Speaking of Congress's idiocy, have they seen the projections of cost? Seriously, did this enter into their little pea-brains at all? $2.5 TRILLION dollars, folks! As I said on Hugh's show this afternoon, I'd open up my checkbook if the fence were guaranteed, and all security measures would be abided by, but we're not getting that. We'll be lucky to get the 371 miles of fence that proposed in the deal. (REMEMBER, none of this is on paper. This was a backroom deal done by a few guys from both sides.)
Captain Ed's pushing for people to calm down, and says the bill isn't bad:
It's not great, and it's not even very good. It's not bad, though, and given our lack of strength in Congress and the White House on this issue, it's a good deal that will strengthen our national security now rather than wait another two years to address it. To quote the Rolling Stones, you can't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need. This is one of those times.
Sorry, Captain Ed, we couldn't disagree more. Why not take more time to hammer this out? What the Hell is the sudden rush? Why not give the lawmakers time to come up with a sensible, logical solution -- including the time to speak with and hear from their constituents -- before declaring a deal being made? Someone's in a hurry here, and with something as delicate as immigration reform, we just can't all end up being like bulls in a china shop.
And Glennn Reynolds, AKA Instapundit notes that Ace is ticked. No, not that 'Ace.' THAT Ace confided to me he isn't surprised by this deal. Yeah, neither are we, but we were hoping for some spine, and had heart earlier today when it was reported that the deal had fallen through. So much for wishful thinking.
Counterterrorism Blog said this is a disaster:
In short order, the system will be overwhelmed. Whatever minimal fraud detection and prevention safeguards might be erected won’t last long in the face of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of applications and petitions to be adjudicated. What that means is the information provided on those applications and petitions, and whatever supporting documents they may have (if any), will essentially be taken at face value. Whatever the applicant alien tells the adjudicator will essentially be taken at face value. There will be little time or process available to verify anything, perhaps beyond running the applicant’s name through a standard battery of computer databases (and, even that may become so time consuming some will slip through the cracks).
And Tom Tancredo goes for the jugular on John McCain:
“Senator McCain and his allies seem to think that they can dupe the American public into accepting a blanket amnesty if they just call it ‘comprehensive’ or ‘earned legalization’ or ‘regularization.’ Unfortunately for them, however, the American people know amnesty when they see it,” said Tancredo. “The President is so desperate for a legacy and a domestic policy win that he is willing to sell out the American people and our national security.”
“If Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy spent as much time working on improving border security as they did poll testing creative euphemisms for amnesty, America would be a much safer place,” quipped Tancredo.
Say what you want on Tom Tancredo. We're not too fond of him ourselves, but on this issue, him and Duncan Hunter are spot-on. Hunter, I might add, appeared on Hugh Hewitt's show today and while he wasn't as hopping mad as the fair majority of talk show callers were today, he's not frelling pleased. He called this what it was: AMNESTY. These people are getting a pass for breaking our laws, and we're being told to shut up and take it.
Speaking of candidates (or potential ones, as this link shows) Rich Lowry at NRO's The Corner sends us word that Fred Thompson has spoken on this issue:
“With this bill, the American people are going to think they are being sold the same bill of goods as before on border security. We should scrap this bill and the whole debate until we can convince the American people that we have secured the borders or at least have made great headway.”
My Lord, why isn't this man in the race yet?
Oh yeah. Rich also talks about the "triggers" in the compromise. Can you S-P-E-L-L "scam?"
All the illegals get probationary legal status immediately. As I understand it, the only thing that is "triggered" is the creation of the new indefinitely renewable Z visa. The probationary status means you get a "floppy card" that allows you only to work and not travel. The card that goes with the Z visa will be fancier and allow you to work and travel. But the bottom line is that once you have the probationary status, you are legal, which is effectively an amnesty.
Allahpundit noticed that illegals aren't happy with this either:
David Guerra wants to be legal, but he says the path to citizenship offered by the Senate on Thursday would be too risky and too expensive, and could end up driving him deeper into the shadows…
“If I go home, who is going to guarantee that I’ll be let back in?” said the 44-year-old who lays bricks, clears weeds and does landscaping…
“Where would I find $5,000? In two years, I don’t get $5,000,” said Daniel Carrillo Maldonado, an illegal immigrant who was looking for construction work outside a Home Depot in Phoenix…
Amy Ndour, a 23-year-old illegal immigrant from Senegal who lives in New York, said she would be willing to pay the $5,000 fine, but not return home because her family there depends on what she earns as a hair braider.
“I’m helping myself” here, she said. “I’m helping people there too.”…
Many illegal immigrants said they had little incentive to apply for residency because the process was long and did not offer much hope of bringing their families.
“If I’ll never be able to bring my family, why should I apply?” said Jose Monson, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Guatemala who has lived in Los Angeles for four years. “I prefer to just stay here illegally.”
Didn't I ask that uncomfrotable question earlier? If they're here illegally, breaking our laws and taking advantage of us now, what makes Congress think they're going to follow our laws now? They're not going to. John McCain and every senator involved in this bill is an idiot. He's done, but we're not. GET ON THE PHONES NOW. Stop this damn thing before it moves to the House. And if that happens, get on the phones to them, too. But this bill must be stopped now, dead in it's tracks.
Publius II
This is the first step. We can and must complete this legislation sooner rather than later. We all know that this issue can be caught up in extracurricular politics unless we move forward as quickly as opssible. This is a product of a long hard trail of negotiation, and I am sure that there are certain provisions that each of us would not agree with, but this is what the legislative process is all about, this is what bipartisanship is all about when there is a requirement for this nation and its security that transcends party lines. I am proud to have been a small part of it.
Now, Hugh's translation:
Deal's done. I am the guy. I made it happen. My opinion mattered, not yours. What I do in the middle of a campaign for president has nothing to do with politics. My critics are all motivated by politics. Since I have already made up my mind, no debate is necessary, so shut up. Republicans especially shut up. This is how things get done in D.C.: You roll over for Democrats. And by the way, cutting half the fence and leaving the other half subject to the whims of the anti-border security bureaucracy equals protecting national security, just like the Gang of 14 was good for the confirmation process and McCain-Feingold good for the First Amendment. So, if you didn't hear me the first time: Shut up. Sit down. I'm your nominee.
I'm John McCain and I approved of this message.
That's Captain Queeg in a nutshell. Think we're the only one's ticked right now? Think again. And no, Michelle doesn't have the monopoly on this. Both those on the Right and Left (for the Left, those that are still sane), aren't happy here. They're mad, and they're sick of taking this sort of stupidity.
YES! I said stupidity. These people have flouted our laws from day one of entering the "land of opportunity." They have no regard for them at all. NONE! If they did, they wouldn't have broken the law in the first place. So, why in God's name does Congress think that these people will start abiding by our laws? It takes a world-class genius in the mold of John Kerry to think that they'll strart playing by the rules now.
Speaking of Congress's idiocy, have they seen the projections of cost? Seriously, did this enter into their little pea-brains at all? $2.5 TRILLION dollars, folks! As I said on Hugh's show this afternoon, I'd open up my checkbook if the fence were guaranteed, and all security measures would be abided by, but we're not getting that. We'll be lucky to get the 371 miles of fence that proposed in the deal. (REMEMBER, none of this is on paper. This was a backroom deal done by a few guys from both sides.)
Captain Ed's pushing for people to calm down, and says the bill isn't bad:
It's not great, and it's not even very good. It's not bad, though, and given our lack of strength in Congress and the White House on this issue, it's a good deal that will strengthen our national security now rather than wait another two years to address it. To quote the Rolling Stones, you can't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need. This is one of those times.
Sorry, Captain Ed, we couldn't disagree more. Why not take more time to hammer this out? What the Hell is the sudden rush? Why not give the lawmakers time to come up with a sensible, logical solution -- including the time to speak with and hear from their constituents -- before declaring a deal being made? Someone's in a hurry here, and with something as delicate as immigration reform, we just can't all end up being like bulls in a china shop.
And Glennn Reynolds, AKA Instapundit notes that Ace is ticked. No, not that 'Ace.' THAT Ace confided to me he isn't surprised by this deal. Yeah, neither are we, but we were hoping for some spine, and had heart earlier today when it was reported that the deal had fallen through. So much for wishful thinking.
Counterterrorism Blog said this is a disaster:
In short order, the system will be overwhelmed. Whatever minimal fraud detection and prevention safeguards might be erected won’t last long in the face of hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of applications and petitions to be adjudicated. What that means is the information provided on those applications and petitions, and whatever supporting documents they may have (if any), will essentially be taken at face value. Whatever the applicant alien tells the adjudicator will essentially be taken at face value. There will be little time or process available to verify anything, perhaps beyond running the applicant’s name through a standard battery of computer databases (and, even that may become so time consuming some will slip through the cracks).
And Tom Tancredo goes for the jugular on John McCain:
“Senator McCain and his allies seem to think that they can dupe the American public into accepting a blanket amnesty if they just call it ‘comprehensive’ or ‘earned legalization’ or ‘regularization.’ Unfortunately for them, however, the American people know amnesty when they see it,” said Tancredo. “The President is so desperate for a legacy and a domestic policy win that he is willing to sell out the American people and our national security.”
“If Senator McCain and Senator Kennedy spent as much time working on improving border security as they did poll testing creative euphemisms for amnesty, America would be a much safer place,” quipped Tancredo.
Say what you want on Tom Tancredo. We're not too fond of him ourselves, but on this issue, him and Duncan Hunter are spot-on. Hunter, I might add, appeared on Hugh Hewitt's show today and while he wasn't as hopping mad as the fair majority of talk show callers were today, he's not frelling pleased. He called this what it was: AMNESTY. These people are getting a pass for breaking our laws, and we're being told to shut up and take it.
Speaking of candidates (or potential ones, as this link shows) Rich Lowry at NRO's The Corner sends us word that Fred Thompson has spoken on this issue:
“With this bill, the American people are going to think they are being sold the same bill of goods as before on border security. We should scrap this bill and the whole debate until we can convince the American people that we have secured the borders or at least have made great headway.”
My Lord, why isn't this man in the race yet?
Oh yeah. Rich also talks about the "triggers" in the compromise. Can you S-P-E-L-L "scam?"
All the illegals get probationary legal status immediately. As I understand it, the only thing that is "triggered" is the creation of the new indefinitely renewable Z visa. The probationary status means you get a "floppy card" that allows you only to work and not travel. The card that goes with the Z visa will be fancier and allow you to work and travel. But the bottom line is that once you have the probationary status, you are legal, which is effectively an amnesty.
Allahpundit noticed that illegals aren't happy with this either:
David Guerra wants to be legal, but he says the path to citizenship offered by the Senate on Thursday would be too risky and too expensive, and could end up driving him deeper into the shadows…
“If I go home, who is going to guarantee that I’ll be let back in?” said the 44-year-old who lays bricks, clears weeds and does landscaping…
“Where would I find $5,000? In two years, I don’t get $5,000,” said Daniel Carrillo Maldonado, an illegal immigrant who was looking for construction work outside a Home Depot in Phoenix…
Amy Ndour, a 23-year-old illegal immigrant from Senegal who lives in New York, said she would be willing to pay the $5,000 fine, but not return home because her family there depends on what she earns as a hair braider.
“I’m helping myself” here, she said. “I’m helping people there too.”…
Many illegal immigrants said they had little incentive to apply for residency because the process was long and did not offer much hope of bringing their families.
“If I’ll never be able to bring my family, why should I apply?” said Jose Monson, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Guatemala who has lived in Los Angeles for four years. “I prefer to just stay here illegally.”
Didn't I ask that uncomfrotable question earlier? If they're here illegally, breaking our laws and taking advantage of us now, what makes Congress think they're going to follow our laws now? They're not going to. John McCain and every senator involved in this bill is an idiot. He's done, but we're not. GET ON THE PHONES NOW. Stop this damn thing before it moves to the House. And if that happens, get on the phones to them, too. But this bill must be stopped now, dead in it's tracks.
Publius II
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