Open Topic Sunday ... Bob Cunningham On Immigration
Mr. Hinderacker takes note of Bob Cunningham's observations regarding the immigration reform that Congress is purporting to be pursuing. As he sees it, something smells funny ...
The "conditions" being attached to legalizing the 12 million IMPLY, do they not, that if the conditions are NOT obtained....then what?...isn't there an implicit promise then to DEPORT them?...similarly, with respect to "temporary" "guest workers"...if they don't leave...or violate other conditions of their "temporary" visas...is there not the clear implication that THEY will then be deported??
....so which is it?...is the implied PROMISE to deport in fact a FALSE promise because deportation is not "possible"?...or is deportation easily possible and is just a question of political will?....in which case what about the 12 million?
...or if the claim is that we cannot feasibly deport ALL of the 12 million...then the question arises: how many CAN we deport?...and why don't we?
The bottom line: if we "cannot" deport foreign violators of our immigration, naturalization and labor laws....then the "earned legalization" conditions for the 12 million illegals already here are bogus...and it is de facto complete and unconditional amnesty......AND the "temporary" guest workers" program is then a sham as well.
This is one of the reasons why Thomas and I have pushed two things before any sort of normalization occurs. First, as the Sessions Amendment states, a fence must be built. Based on the information coming from the deputy chief of the Border Patrol, it is liable to be in back-to-back urban areas, and will include surveillance to make sure no one crosses in those areas. The fence is a necessity despite what its detractors are stating. We need to gain control of our borders again, and the fence is the first, and most integral step.
Second, despite the fact that no one in the Senate likes it, enforcement must also be a part of any sort of reform. We have many of our problems regarding immigration right now because of a significant and dangerous lack of enforcement. "Catch and release" used to be the norm for immigration violators. Arizona is no longer doing that, and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department (under the direction of Sheriff Joe Arpaio) has started using the new anti-smuggling laws to crack down not only on them, but also on illegal aliens.
In the last two months, the efforts of the Sheriff's Department has been joined by local law enforcement working the same sort of investigations:
The efforts come on the heels of an anti-human-smuggling statute that took effect in Arizona in August and gave prosecutors a tool to go after "coyotes," or smugglers, who traffic in undocumented immigrants. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office later issued an opinion saying undocumented immigrants suspected of paying coyotes could be prosecuted as conspirators.
Both approaches initially appear to be having an impact.
On Wednesday, task force officials from Phoenix police, the state Department of Public Safety and the Arizona Attorney General's Office announced their investigation into human-smuggling operations and money laundering has netted 62 arrests, along with weapons, cars and cash.
The ongoing investigation has been an attack of smuggling operations "from the top down," DPS Director Roger Vanderpool said. "We are going after the leaders. We believe that our police shouldn't become immigration officers," Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon said. "Do we want to raid restaurants and arrest dishwashers? We need to arrest the people at the top."
In the past two months, the task force has seized 11 weapons, 62 vehicles, six real estate properties valued at $1.7 million, 5 kilograms of cocaine and 3 pounds of marijuana. In addition, $4.8 million in cash was seized and 528 undocumented immigrants were turned over to immigration authorities, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris said.
For the record, despite the claims of Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon (who is against any sort of alien round-ups, even when they are found), he is appreciative of those that have been caught. And 528 people is a lot of people rounded up so far, in addition to the leaders of the smuggling rings. The efforts are working. Now, if we could just get a little help from Congress, and some serious efforts from ICE, we might be able to gain control of the border.
Likewise, we also agree with Mr. Hinderacker on this issue:
As I've said on the radio, there isn't any need to "round up" the millions of illegal aliens now in the country. If we crack down on illegal employment, the jobs will dry up and the illegals will filter back across the border, the same way they came. Not all of them, of course, but most.
Some people disagree with that approach. We do not. These people only come here for the incentives they have been receiving. Take away those incentives, and they will not come here. But this is going to be a long process. Immigration reform has several steps within it. Part of this also falls on the courts to seriously reexamine the "anchor baby" question? As it stands right now, if an illegal alien comes to America, and has a child, that child is a US citizen. Likewise, certain rights--based on guardianship--are given to the parents or legal guardians.
A certain number of benefits also come to the child and their family such as welfare, low-income housing (if needed), and state-sponsored health care (AHCCS, or "access," for Arizona; again, if needed). Allowing them to be anchor babies, and citing the Fourteenth Amendment for the argument, were serious mistakes. They should not be able to use the Fourteenth Amendment as a defense to stay here as that was not what the Fourteenth Amendment was created to do. If it is not changed, and they are still classified as US citizens, the family should still be deported.
I am not being mean about this. The child may "collect" their citizenship when they turn eighteen years of age. If sent back, they can return when they obey our laws. Go through the process. I know that they are living in a veritable third-world country, and life is not pleasant for them there. But that is no reason to bend our laws to fit them, or to allow for their outright breaking so they can have a better life. Follow our laws, or else there will be conseqences. And if Vincente Fox does not like this, he can file a complaint with the nearest Border Patrol agent, and I am sure he or she will be happy to pass it up the chain of command. But as it is time for us to reexamine "our friends the Saudis," it is also time to take a closer look at our relations with Mexico.
Either we will have respect for our sovereignty and our laws, or maybe Mexico can do without it's aid from Congress for a year or two.
The Bunny ;)
Mr. Hinderacker takes note of Bob Cunningham's observations regarding the immigration reform that Congress is purporting to be pursuing. As he sees it, something smells funny ...
The "conditions" being attached to legalizing the 12 million IMPLY, do they not, that if the conditions are NOT obtained....then what?...isn't there an implicit promise then to DEPORT them?...similarly, with respect to "temporary" "guest workers"...if they don't leave...or violate other conditions of their "temporary" visas...is there not the clear implication that THEY will then be deported??
....so which is it?...is the implied PROMISE to deport in fact a FALSE promise because deportation is not "possible"?...or is deportation easily possible and is just a question of political will?....in which case what about the 12 million?
...or if the claim is that we cannot feasibly deport ALL of the 12 million...then the question arises: how many CAN we deport?...and why don't we?
The bottom line: if we "cannot" deport foreign violators of our immigration, naturalization and labor laws....then the "earned legalization" conditions for the 12 million illegals already here are bogus...and it is de facto complete and unconditional amnesty......AND the "temporary" guest workers" program is then a sham as well.
This is one of the reasons why Thomas and I have pushed two things before any sort of normalization occurs. First, as the Sessions Amendment states, a fence must be built. Based on the information coming from the deputy chief of the Border Patrol, it is liable to be in back-to-back urban areas, and will include surveillance to make sure no one crosses in those areas. The fence is a necessity despite what its detractors are stating. We need to gain control of our borders again, and the fence is the first, and most integral step.
Second, despite the fact that no one in the Senate likes it, enforcement must also be a part of any sort of reform. We have many of our problems regarding immigration right now because of a significant and dangerous lack of enforcement. "Catch and release" used to be the norm for immigration violators. Arizona is no longer doing that, and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department (under the direction of Sheriff Joe Arpaio) has started using the new anti-smuggling laws to crack down not only on them, but also on illegal aliens.
In the last two months, the efforts of the Sheriff's Department has been joined by local law enforcement working the same sort of investigations:
The efforts come on the heels of an anti-human-smuggling statute that took effect in Arizona in August and gave prosecutors a tool to go after "coyotes," or smugglers, who traffic in undocumented immigrants. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office later issued an opinion saying undocumented immigrants suspected of paying coyotes could be prosecuted as conspirators.
Both approaches initially appear to be having an impact.
On Wednesday, task force officials from Phoenix police, the state Department of Public Safety and the Arizona Attorney General's Office announced their investigation into human-smuggling operations and money laundering has netted 62 arrests, along with weapons, cars and cash.
The ongoing investigation has been an attack of smuggling operations "from the top down," DPS Director Roger Vanderpool said. "We are going after the leaders. We believe that our police shouldn't become immigration officers," Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon said. "Do we want to raid restaurants and arrest dishwashers? We need to arrest the people at the top."
In the past two months, the task force has seized 11 weapons, 62 vehicles, six real estate properties valued at $1.7 million, 5 kilograms of cocaine and 3 pounds of marijuana. In addition, $4.8 million in cash was seized and 528 undocumented immigrants were turned over to immigration authorities, Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris said.
For the record, despite the claims of Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon (who is against any sort of alien round-ups, even when they are found), he is appreciative of those that have been caught. And 528 people is a lot of people rounded up so far, in addition to the leaders of the smuggling rings. The efforts are working. Now, if we could just get a little help from Congress, and some serious efforts from ICE, we might be able to gain control of the border.
Likewise, we also agree with Mr. Hinderacker on this issue:
As I've said on the radio, there isn't any need to "round up" the millions of illegal aliens now in the country. If we crack down on illegal employment, the jobs will dry up and the illegals will filter back across the border, the same way they came. Not all of them, of course, but most.
Some people disagree with that approach. We do not. These people only come here for the incentives they have been receiving. Take away those incentives, and they will not come here. But this is going to be a long process. Immigration reform has several steps within it. Part of this also falls on the courts to seriously reexamine the "anchor baby" question? As it stands right now, if an illegal alien comes to America, and has a child, that child is a US citizen. Likewise, certain rights--based on guardianship--are given to the parents or legal guardians.
A certain number of benefits also come to the child and their family such as welfare, low-income housing (if needed), and state-sponsored health care (AHCCS, or "access," for Arizona; again, if needed). Allowing them to be anchor babies, and citing the Fourteenth Amendment for the argument, were serious mistakes. They should not be able to use the Fourteenth Amendment as a defense to stay here as that was not what the Fourteenth Amendment was created to do. If it is not changed, and they are still classified as US citizens, the family should still be deported.
I am not being mean about this. The child may "collect" their citizenship when they turn eighteen years of age. If sent back, they can return when they obey our laws. Go through the process. I know that they are living in a veritable third-world country, and life is not pleasant for them there. But that is no reason to bend our laws to fit them, or to allow for their outright breaking so they can have a better life. Follow our laws, or else there will be conseqences. And if Vincente Fox does not like this, he can file a complaint with the nearest Border Patrol agent, and I am sure he or she will be happy to pass it up the chain of command. But as it is time for us to reexamine "our friends the Saudis," it is also time to take a closer look at our relations with Mexico.
Either we will have respect for our sovereignty and our laws, or maybe Mexico can do without it's aid from Congress for a year or two.
The Bunny ;)
posted by Syd And Vaughn | 4:56 PM
1 Comments:
It is a given that no immigration reform will be meaningful without criminal sanctions being applied to people who violate the law. What I don't understand is why the Senate dosen't understand the necessity of criminal sanctions.
I also don't know why our government or the MSM bothers even listening to Mexico. Mexicans horribly mistreat immigrants to their own country and they make immigration to Mexico very difficult. Vicente Fox can blow off all the steam he wants to about our desire to deport illegal immigrants, but he has no authoritative standing. His complaints are inconsistent with how his own government deals with illegal immigration. The Mexican State is Hypocritical -- Ignore Them
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